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Dr Spouse
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Well, I'm not really doing very well on the paper either! It's in that really-very-nearly-finished state but I realised I have to rescore one bit of data as I had to put in another little bit of analysis but for some reason that data file is blank! I thought about asking a friendly student to do it but I already said that 3 different people analysed the data so I think 4 would be a bit much...

Got another paper back, rejected, boo hiss, but it's not on May's to do list so I am going to ignore it till the end of next week.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a paper to finish rewriting as well. It was rejected from a journal special issue in January after making me wait (I think) 10 months. Apparently it just "missed the cut".

The editor did apologise for the delay, which was a nice touch, and I received some nice supportive comments from the referees. I didn't see it quite that way at the time, though, and it was a couple of months until I looked at the comments again. Also I had a fair amount of teaching and I let things slide.

Since then I have decided to generate some extra data to support my conclusions and add a few bits and pieces here and there. Coupled with marking exams and dealing with some student enquiries from students who aren't really as clued-up as they should be, rewriting seems to take forever. At least I know what journal I'll submit it to.

At the same time, I am thinking of cutting down a journal paper (which was rejected from another journal) into a conference paper. The referees' comments there weren't quite as nice, and the editors' handling was less than professional IMHO. The referees were quite right nonetheless, and at least it gives me something to work with.

I am also technically writing 3 or 4 other articles, but none of them are yet near the submission stage.

Only a couple of years out of PhD, I am not as experienced as most of you, and so I like reading others' opinions, comments, etc. This is a good forum.

I love the CHE fora too, especially LarryC who is great, but the discussion there applies more to the US system. It is less immediately useful for me in some of the discussions, but the teaching advice is gold. It has also enabled me to learn the language of US academe, which is very different and, at the same time, very interesting. I am beginning to ramble, and so will stop here!  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Okay, you may faint now Reply with quote

I finished the paper based on my conference poster - submitted it yesterday!

I even found my former student - 192.com is your friend - although her email address is bouncing (she says as she's on maternity leave she hasn't been able to forward it but I think I may have the wrong one anyway). And of course it's not possible to have an author who doesn't have an email address in this day and age  Rolling Eyes

Don't know what I'll do with my co-author on another paper who is in fact deceased...
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aargh - that was quick - just got a rejection as it's not general enough for the journal I submitted to!  Sigh.

I have a 2nd and 3rd option but they aren't as good...
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the 2nd option seems at least happy to send it for review - once again, that'll teach me always to test the waters first...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how long do you wait for turn around of peer review? I submitted one paper early Jan. Do you give editors a prod, or just wait it out and assume they will get back to you as and when?

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Xiongmao



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what field you're in, but I think it depends very much on the field. In Math (the field I'm in), for example, I have had editors spend 9-10 months on an article, before rejecting it.

On the more popular journals, I have heard of delays of a couple of years being quite common, particularly for more theoretical articles. In one journal article I was reading the other day, in a reasonably good journal, they had printed submission dates and acceptance dates for the article that were 8 years apart!

I think the CHE forum has a few threads about this specific question, also, and the advice seems to be mixed, dependent on field.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To follow up my previous question.

there was an online tracking option on this journal, so once I logged in and checked there I found that the reviewers comments were back, but I still hadn't had the feedback. So I sent a short polite email asking them if it was coming soon.

I got a holding reply, and a couple of weeks later (yesterday) my full response.

Of course, ingnorance is bliss! It just about fell on the side of 'major revisions' rather than reject. Which is, I guess, good, in that hopefully I'll end up with a paper in a reasonably prestigous journal. But it's that punch in the guts when you get reviews as long as your arm with lots of negative feedback. It was generally constructive criticism, but it's very difficult to read it without feeling that really they think you are completely stupid. And, there's the sinking feeling that it's at least two weeks work to do all the extra reading and re-writing, and editing. And that time has to come from somewhere.

I'm feeling a little bit better about it today, but it'll still be a few weeks before I can tackle it dispassionately.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I hate that. It's like getting a bad appraisal at work or even like being dumped - except they give you far more detail and it's far more negative, partly because they are supposed to give detail but partly because they don't do it in person.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mostly working on my PhD thesis (phew say my supervisors).  But I am trying to at least draft something for publication from each chapter - while I'm writing about something anyway for the thesis and it's fresh and I'm enthusiastic about it it seemed like a good idea at the time - and of course any publications will be helpful for applying for jobs once the evil thesis is finally over (plus, I'm well aware that once I'm working the time for the luxury of writing will be much reduced).

I have one article that has gone to external review, this is a paper for the proceedings of a recent conference.  I'm not sure how typical this is as it's the first time I've done it, but after the CFP they send successful papers at that stage to external review (the point it's at at the moment) - success at this point based on how much like a finished article it already is, and how well it fits with the overall theme of the book.  So I'm encouraged at not getting immediately rejected anyway Smile.  I find out in May the result of the external review and whether the article has been accepted for the book.  It will probably be published by the university's in-house publishers (the university is in Scandinavia, where apparently they're very hot on publishing conference proceedings so pretty much every university has in-house publishing), but they've said they'll tout it round other more prestigious publishers first.  So here's hoping ...

Now I'm expanding a short section of my recently drafted chapter into a conference paper, which is already too long so I shall expand it into a journal article at the same time.  I'm lucky in Area Studies that there are lots of different disciplines where my research is of relevance, so I can potentially submit to lots of different journals in all sorts of fields.  I'm less lucky in that because I could potentially have articles in so many different journals, if I don't end up in Area Studies (very very likely) only a small number of these will be of interest to any potential employer with their eye on RAE/REF-able publications.

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